TB Joshua’s Response To HIV Medication


In last days churches have been known for their pastor’s, sermons, buildings, choirs, but not as much as for God’s POWER TO HEAL THE HURTING SICK PEOPLE…While all these things are great, but sick people are suffering, healing is the glory of the church, but it’s HEALTH to the hurting sick people.

TB Joshua always says, “Man can be sick in the body and yet be a friend of God.” We all agree that sickness came because of sin, and there would be none of it in heaven. Jesus brings healing. Jesus doesn’t bring sickness yet He does use foolish things at times to accomplish His purpose, and sickness is one of them. Healing, not sickness glorifies Jesus the most.

There has always been an attack on healing ministry especially in the area of medicine. At times healing ministries will go to the extreme of rejecting and telling people to stop using medicine. There are stories of many people whom God healed without use of any medicine, so is there are stories of people who died because of refusal to use medicine. Where is the balance? Again, TB Joshua, the person that God uses mightily in healing, has said it beautifully, “Doctors Treat; Jesus Heals. God is God of nature. Medicine is natural.” He even went as far as to say that his household, and the church, and friends of ministry all, benefit from medicine.

Medicine treats natural sickness, but some sicknesses are as result of curses or even direct demonic attack. Medical science is completely powerless against spiritual forces. Medicine has been great help in curing, helping to fight natural diseases, but sicknesses that have demons behind them, only the name of Jesus, blood of Jesus, fire of Holy Ghost can overcome!!!

Healing is so needed today; it brings help to the hurting, but also, it fuels the faith of believers in the power of their God. One thing we must not forget is that miracles help some people and for others, they are stumbling block. Remember, SAME SUN THAT MELTS BUTTER, HARDENS THE CLAY…Same power of God in life of Moses, delivered Israel out of bondage, and made Pharaoh’s heart so HARD. Miracles, healing’s, and deliverances help believers with their faith but for skeptic and critic, they fuel his pride…HOW SAD

Below is the clip of the short message by TB Joshua about Healing & Medicine. Enjoy!

 

Source: Hungry Generation

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Spies From SKY NEWS Investigate TB Joshua’s Healing Of HIV/AIDS


Barely a month after the BBC released a report about several recorded deaths after the HIV and Aids healing claims in various churches and disingenuously mentioned TB Joshua’s ministry as one of such ministries likely to encourage HIV and aids sufferers to drop their medication without proof, SKY news took on the challenge and sent undercover agents who had hidden cameras tucked in their jackets to SCOAN UK as AIDS sufferers, presumably because they felt the BBC report didn’t have a nice ring to it following their lack of real evidence to implicate SCOAN. Kind of like a competition between them on who would better cover the story.

The major problem with the report is that it sounds more like a challenge to the Christian faith, than it even does to TB Joshua, the reporters made it seem that God is incapable of healing a person with HIV, and worse still, are making it seem that the evangelical pastors are the ones performing the healing and not God, and so the healings should be doubted. If those healed of HIV in SCOAN are often or always not healed as they suggest, why would more with same cases be encouraged to come and those coming for the same healing increase daily?

Now we must say here that TB Joshua is quite a striking personality, he has critics from almost every facet of life, in religious circles, among his ex-disciples, and as though that were not enough, the international media, SKY and BBC joined the bandwagon. seriously, their report about the SCOAN seems to be no different from what journalists usually do with celebrities, where they make accusations that are not true and attract a lot of attention through it by getting everyone to read but then when it’s really is getting to it, it was not true and it only helped the person in question to sky-rocket towards fame. . It’s also indeed very surprising that with all their acclaimed journalism skills, they assigned no responsibility to the people who walked away from the church accepting that they had been healed without verifying it by established and scientific methods. Apparently, only a fool will be told by a pastor, your illness is healed or cured and he or she goes away, without verification…read more

T.B. JOSHUA WATCH ADMITS THERE IS NO EVIDENCE AGAINST T. B. JOHUA


After months of slander and defamation, T. B. Joshua Watch finally agrees there is no evidence to support their claim of sexual abuse charges against T.B. Joshua. This is funny considering the fact that they have heaped invectives, called him names and I am wondering why they have not rendered a formal apology to the man of God. In their latest article they said:

‘We’re not saying these allegations are definitely true – we’d have no evidence to support that claim.’

If they claim there is indeed no evidence to support their claims why are they now saying the allegations must be ‘investigated?’  If they have evidence it is incumbent upon them to provide them to the police to investigate because you cannot investigate anything without evidence.

They must for once keep their mouths shut and concentrate on building their lives instead of becoming permanent bloggers. If their aim is to destroy the man of God then they have failed in their venture.

By Raphael Ernest Grail

IS SCOAN A CULT? By TB Joshua watch- A Review, part 2


This is the concluding part of this guest post by Solomon, coming forth as a sequel to the previous post addressing the deceptiveness with which tb Joshua watch classified scoan as a cult.

Some embittered and disgruntled ex-disciples made some false allegations against scoan out of malice and wickedness; some as a vendetta for being shown the way out for falling short of standard, and some for their being rejected by fellow disciples for shameful behavior and TB Joshua watch swallowed the allegations hook, line and sinker. They based their conclusion on un-investigated, unconfirmed and unsubstantiated stories dished out by unfriendly elements of scoan who had problems with scoan before leaving the ministry and with these false testimonies matched scoan with 14 cult criteria.

14 CRITERIA USED BY TB JOSHUA WATCH TO CLASSIFY SCOAN AS A CULT

Does SCOAN meet all these criteria as they claim?

1)  The group is focused on a living leader to whom members seem to display excessively zealous, unquestioning commitment.

REPLY: it is common knowledge that every organization expects loyalty from its members. Loyalty can only be earned and cannot be forced. If loyalty and questioning is absolutely forbidden the ex-disciples who left would not have left so easily. There was no oath taken as done in pagan setting. No blood covenant entered into. As people/ disciples enter freely and go away freely. The claim that SCOAN is a cult is therefore wrong.

2)   The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members.

Madelaine: “My family has never tried to recruit me because I think they know that I am a lost cause. But they have put huge amounts of effort into publicizing SCOAN”

REPLY: Madeleine should realize that bringing in new members is not done in SCOAN by ordinary publicity; rather it is done by the work of the Holy Spirit by way of miracles when the gospel is preached and the work is confirmed by the Holy Spirit by way of miracles signs and wonders following. Does the work of the Holy Spirit Make SCOAN a cult?

3)  The group is preoccupied with making money.

Here Madeleine suspects that her friends sold their property in England and gave it to the SCOAN, Granted her suspicion is true, was the family forced to do so? Mark you this is mere suspicion. Granted that her suspicion is correct does a gift to SCOAN justify saying that they are busy asking for money? Not at all, SCOAN cannot be called a cult on this ground.

Giles under this heading is of the opinion that giving members who pay their tithes regularly the opportunity by way of issuing them with passes to SCOAN’S prayer mountain to pray and worship over those non-serious Christians is wrong. He sees the action as money making. What would he call the youths who do not pay tithe but go there to pray as well? Loosing money?

Regulating the number of people who go to the mountain my issuing those who endeavour to obey Gods instruction and also regulate the number since the space at the mountain is very limited in comparison to the number of people who want to go there. Giles himself in the concluding paragraph of his write up said:

“Again it has to be said here that there is definitely a need to regulate people in some way though”

There are thousands of members waiting to get into that particular bit of land so thy obviously have to take turns but money and control play a big part of the whole thing. If you ever stopped paying your tithes or fall foul of the ministry in anyway, you don’t get to go there anymore” what type of regulation does Giles want the ministry to employ? The use of good standing in the church is most appropriate; this does not make SCOAN a cult, does it?

4)  Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.

REPLY:  Giles: when I was a boy, I was told in the Sunday school class that obedience is the first rule in heaven. From the account you have given of yourself on TB Joshuawatch, it looks as though you were disobedient all through. You resented being corrected. Reporting each other is a mechanism the disciples must have devised to check and make sure they were behaving properly, some of the disciples who mean business, whose conscience blame them when a fellow disciple does something that brings shame to them must have devised the method. Thank God you even commended the system when you said

“to be fair, sometimes that disciple might have been approached beforehand and given opportunity to change, like it says in the Bible” it might actually BE THE BEST WAY to deal with a particular sin, I mean its possible that a lot of people never again did whatever it was they were doing out of sheer fear of being reported again”

Thank you again that you commended TB Joshua for not taking sides. What then are you quarrelling about? When Lucifer rebelled in heaven, he was punished by being expelled from heaven. Rebellion ought to be punished. Your conduct brought shame to your fellow disciples, hence according to you, as you said

“I was ostracized by the foreign disciples and banned from the dinning room”

5)  Mind-numbing techniques (such as meditation, chanting, speaking in tongues, denunciation sessions, debilitating work routines) are used to suppress doubts about the group and its leader(s)

ANS; the Bible encourages meditation: Joshua 1:8

This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shall meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.

Psalm: 1:2-3

But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night

1 Timothy says:

meditate upon these things, give thyself wholly to them that thy profiting may appear to all.

Chanting was practiced during the time of David and speaking in tongues is the gift of the Holy Spirit which fell on the day of Pentecost. Acts 2: 2-3. The Bible supports speaking in tongues, whats wrong with them? Is meditation and speaking in tongues cultic?

And as for Giles, following the link provided to the original article, it is right for a trainee disciple to concentrate on God’s work rather than socializing while training, the Bible in Philippians 4:8 says

Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

Madelaine under this heading said she visited  the hope that she would have an opportunity to spend time her son who was there as a disciple but they were always busy and had no time to stop.

I wonder why Madelaine went there to disturb and distract her son from concentrating on his training. She must have contributed very much to her son’s instability and rebellion against the observance of the rules and regulations. Matt 10: 36 says;

 And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household. He that loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

She constituted herself into a foe to her son, by distracting him from his training. Even though she still had some opportunity to spend some time with her son, she wasn’t satisfied because her son as a disciple prioritized the phone calls coming over her, and would not let his assignment suffer. (the phone calls that she claimed interrupted their discussion were most likely the church lines, which she would have this disciple not take just to discuss family with her)  she should thus be equally responsible for her sons failure as a disciple in scoan, there is nothing in this issue that makes SCOAN a cult.

6,    The leadership dictates sometimes in great detail how members should think, act, and feel (for example: members must get permission from leaders to date, change jobs, get married; leaders may prescribe what types of clothes to wear, where to live, how to discipline children, and so forth).

ANS; it is customary that in institutions, where moral rectitude is emphasized people are advised on how to behave and conduct themselves in every aspect of life. What does one expect from a religious body that trains disciples without moral instruction and the way one should conduct oneself in the society. This matter does not come up at all for discussion. It is only that some people have become hypocrites,

Philippians 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.-

Therefore if the Man of God insists on trainee disciples conforming to the instructions in the Bible, his is not a cultist because the Bible is our standard. Being under his tutelage does not only involve instructions pertaining to faith and service but also involves listening to him as regards more fundamental decisions like a job or marriage, for heavens sake pilgrims come all over the world just to hear the mind of God about their proposed marriage or Job from the prophet to know if its Gods will or otherwise, should his disciples not even be more subject to such instruction?

7)       The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s), and members (for example: the leader is considered the Messiah or an avatar; the group and/or the leader have a special mission to save humanity).

Response to Madelaine: with due respect, I see your utterances in the affairs of SCOAN as meddlesome. Most of your comments are speculative, why would you not allow them to do the work of God as they are instructed by the Holy Spirit, this meddlesome attitude may sort of ruin your son’s career there as a disciple. Tb Joshua has always said he is not the healer but knows the healer, not once has he claimed to be the messiah or an avatar. This accusation emanated from his rivals, discredited ex-disciples and detractors.

8)       The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which causes conflict with the wider society.

Here Giles talks about having a problem with the term ‘blasphemers”

What other term is appropriate for disciples who left with shame and ignominy, who go about spreading such debasing false rumors against their benefactor?

9)       The group’s leader is not accountable to any authorities (as are, for example, military commanders and ministers, priests, monks, and rabbis of mainstream denominations).

Neither tb Joshua watch nor Madelaine have a locus standi to demand for accountability. Madelaine who was so much fascinated by the performance of SCOAN that she allowed her son to train as a disciple in SCOAN has turned against SCOAN for the mere fact that her son failed to make it, if her so called son who is a disciple were one of the WISE MEN would she still be here making such rants? Not to mention that most of it all are mere speculations…

Madelaine said:

All information about TB Joshua that I have read from the Internet indicates that he is not accountable. I have also met a Nigerian church leader (possible a rival of tb Joshua) visiting England who has said exactly the same.”

Is news from the internet evidence enough? The opinion of possible rival evidence enough? Who else would she rather have TB Joshua accountable to than the author of his calling?

10)   The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify means that members would have considered unethical before joining the group (for example: collecting money for bogus charities).

REPLY:  under this heading our honorable ex-disciple trainee Giles lied according to him, he said;

When I was confronted with a straight question and had to give a yes/no answer, I chose to lie. I have no doubt that the same thing happens all the time.”

From his own words, it is clear that all he did during his disciple training was to LIE, He himself is claiming to be a deviant, and he succeeded in annoying all the other  foreign trainee disciples that they refused him entering the dinning  hall. In short they showed him the way out. How can the testimony of a Liar as to condemn SCOAN as a cult be acceptable as the truth?

11)   The leadership induces guilt feelings in members in order to control them.

Here they had no standing or even testimony to back this criteria up, yet they deceitfully made it part of the criteria scoan allegedly fulfills, because even they themselves know that this is far from the truth. when Giles was reported to TB Joshua according to Giles, TB Joshua defended him- his comments goes thus:

“So the next meeting, guess what I was standing trial for. I have to be fair here and point out that TB Joshua did actually defend me, telling the disciple basically not to judge me, that she made no attempt to understand me etc. this sometimes happens with other people- TB Joshua doesn’t just accept everything”.

Judging by this statement of his again how TB Joshua can put fear into him when TBJ could demand for fair hearing for him? Once a Liar, always a Liar. Truth cannot proceed from his mouth. There is no case of inducing fear into disciples, Cultism is totally absent.

12)   Members’ subservience to the group causes them to cut ties with family and friends, and to give up personal goals and activities that were of interest before joining the group.

The SCOAN Base their standard on the scripture; the claim here is completely wrong. In mark 10:21  one thing thou lackest, go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast and give to the poor and thou shalt have treasure in heaven and come take up the cross and follow me” the Bible is clear on this issue. Upholding the instruction of the Bible portion above is quite in order, as for Giles who said:

‘families are seen by disciples as a hindrance. When you go there as a disciple you are strongly encouraged to cut all links with your family and friends.

The reason can found in the passages quoted above, they are quite explicit its not tb Joshua made. It is the provision in the Bible, the Disciples of christ left all to follow Him, they were not seen joining family matters with the kingdom business

Madelaine; giving up education at a tender age is not the making of TB Joshua, it is a question of choice of the person and the parents after all, Samuel was  born and given to God and he grew up in the temple and later in life became the religious leader of Israel. It is Biblical on the Basis of choice and therefore does not make SCOAN a cult.

13)  Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time to the group.

Madelaine:   “Many members of my family have given their every moment of their time for nearly 10 years.”

This option for the training is voluntary. Spending ten years in the service of the Lord is highly commendable and has its own reward spelt out in Mark 10: 29

Then Peter began to say unto him, Lo, we have left all, and have followed thee.

29 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel’s,

30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

There is no question here of cultism.

14)  Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members

This is according to the word of God in ACTS 5; -13 the disciples’ were of Christ were in Solomon’s porch and no man joined himself to them.

13 And by the hands of the apostles were many signs and wonders wrought among the people; (and they were all with one accord in Solomon’s porch.

And of the rest durst no man joined himself to them: but the people magnified them.

For further reading, Acts 4: 32 and Acts 4:34. The Arrangement is not man made, not even TB Joshua’s it is Gods, “Birds of a feather they say flock together”

from the above it is clear that SCOAN Doesnt meet any of the criteria they listed, but they in their usual serpentine deciption cunningly matched scoan to these criteria, and even condemned them for what the Bible even permits, therefore the excersice they undertook has ended in futility.

Fabricated stories and account of the ‘gang’ TB Joshua Watch


TB Joshua Watch……….an outstanding example of paradigm paralysis, tainted by deceit and obnoxious insinuations. It is very sad to see and read the ‘fabricated’ stories and account of the ‘gang’ propagating the evil attacks on SCOAN as a ministry and the person of Prophet T B Joshua.  Suffice to say that, it is now quite evident that the people behind this ’evil project’ are the disgruntled elements, who for whatever reason they became followers and workers in this ministry for the ‘many’ years had not accomplished their mission, or their own agenda.

Who first enticed or forced them into this ministry anyway?  Because of their selfish and dubiously motivated reasons, and because they could not ‘achieve’ what they desired, consequently decided to be the strong attackers of this ministry.  It is quite sad to witness this, for whatever it is worth, come on…..seems the whole issue is tantamount to the skin colour.  Am sure that if TBJ were to be of the other skin colour, oh……it would be a different kettle of fish indeed!

It is quite apparent that the postings and so called ‘comments’ on their ‘venture’ are all concocted, because as they claim they still have ‘loved ones’ in the ministry. These so called former disciples and workers in the vineyard had given and narrated their ‘own side’ of why they left.  Really we don’t get it, what point are they making? As we said earlier, we do not and will never incite anyone to come forward to tell stories about how and why they left SCOAN, the postings and comments we publish are well scrutinised before hand , because we will never be part of words trading and counter accusations, or preside over others to judge and watch them.  All we are doing is to establish and foster good, spirit-filled relationship with Children of God for the salvation of their souls, just like by-line of Emmanuel TV…….Changing Lives, Changing Nations, Changing the World.  As we know as children of Most High….The evidence of Christ is Life Changed. We know indeed that BETTER IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH, THE BEST IS YET TO COME!

Inner circle member of TB Joshua Watch speaks #2


This is part 2 of Greg’s story. Follow the link to read Part 1 Inner circle member of TB Joshua Watch speaks #1

I find it imperative to add that during the time l was a member of the SCOAN UK branch, one of the young men approached them to seek advice on schooling, but was clearly told that he should forget about school, and that even TB Joshua himself was a school dropout and therefore he should not bother about school. I was shocked to hear that because l see the SCOAN and Emmanuel TV Partners giving scholarships to less privileged children, and orphans all the time!

We had a good member s of the choir but they were all removed because of their race and skin colour, and replaced by people who were their puppets and cohorts. It became ’white only’ and South African choir. I tried to find out why others who wanted to join were not given the chance, but was told it was because of their ‘accent’.

There was a time they even sent one of us as a spy to the SCOAN service very recently, to feed them with ‘information’…….utterly disturbing! . One of them even stayed as a member as the camera team but promptly left with them.

Funny and intriguing still, as they are anti SCOAN and whatever happens there, but they watch Emmanuel TV 24 hours of the day!

Part 3 will be posted on Wednesday 9th

Inner circle member of TB Joshua Watch speaks #1


In the past week we received an email from someone who claimed to be part of the inner circle of TB Joshua Watch and found it necessary to publish it as it could shed some light into the grey areas that shroud TB Joshua watch in mystery.

Please note that the opinions expressed here are purely those of the writer;
*Greg’s name has also been changed to protect his identity*

From:Greg’s
To:watchprophettbjoshua@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, 5 November, 2011 9:37:55
Subject: Re: TB Joishua lured me into following them from the ministry of “TB Joshua”

I’m filled with rank fear as I write this, knowing what it would mean if I am discovered, but I choose to do it all the same as a way to right my wrongs because my conscience hurts with each deception TB Joshua watch orchestrate and publish with my input. I perfectly understand if many would judge me and ask why i’m still with them even after realising that they’re all about lies and deceit, because they wouldn’t understand the conditions under which they deceived and coerced me to join their hateful group against my conscience, in the most serpentine manner I never thought possible, now its difficult for me to just step out as I fear what would become of me, they’ve become a gang or cult with a web of intrigues defining their operations. I know I myself pledged allegiance to them, but that was because I
thought they were out to tell the truth about TB Joshua. But now its clear to me that its otherwise and I feel remorseful that i’m betraying innocent blood. still i’m looking for just the perfect opportunity to quit that would guarantee my safety and not put me in jeopardy. I know with this post they’ll be on their guard even more. But its a risk i’m willing to take to satisfy my conscience,  So here goes the story of my Scoan beginnings and involvement with TB Joshua watch.


My Scoan beginnings and involvement with TB Joshua watch:

For nearly 5 years, I have been a committed member of The Synagogue Church of All Nations, in the UK, and I have learnt so many things during this Journey of faith. About
10 -12 months ago, my ‘trusted’ shepherds decided to leave the church, and also lured me and several others into following them from the ministry- to Join them in pursuance of their claim about the administration of the ministry and certain ‘concerns’ about the General Overseer of the ministry.

No sooner than the month I joined their campaign with a blog called TB JOSHUA WATCH did I notice that there was something sinister about their  ‘allegations’ against the ministry of which they had been part for some years. They claimed to be advocating the truth, but in
reality were making all sorts of reckless statements about the ministry, this made me feel really uneasy but I was already in, and so as not to draw attention to myself, I also followed suite.

It is quite disturbing for me that this ‘group’ who ‘decamped’ from the ministry, taking a several others with them (including me), dubbed themselves a kind of ‘watchdog’ over the ministry and instigating all sorts of absurdities, in all shades and patterns. This has
consequently proved that we should only trust God, but never trust any human being, because they can be what we call ‘Here today, Gone tomorrow trustees’. It is still very hard for me to come to terms with the stark reality, that these people who were once flag bearers of Christ under the banner of this ministry suddenly turned themselves into ‘investigative journalists and bloggers’ of disrepute, who are biting the hands and fingers that once fed and cared for them!

In the main, I do really find this issue quite disturbing, speaking as someone privy to both sides, with a clear benefit of hindsight, the de-campers were once standing to condemn the erstwhile ex- followers of the ministry, who went about blackmailing the same ministry.
The main contention here and their ultimate aim is still unclear to me, perhaps I’ll uncover this in the long run, but one thing is sure that the Truth is constant, no matter for how long the adversaries toil day and night, if it is all for selfish, classic and material reasons, they will surely come to nought. Beware, what saddens me more is that there are several others like me, deceived into such a “judas ministry”.

I do implore readers to discountenance the and disregard the comments and postings on this TB JOSHUA WATCH blog, because it is disgracefully short of taste and integrity, lacks credibility on all fronts, and should really engage themselves in building the society for Christ rather than acting and colluding with the ‘children of perdition’ to sabotage His works. The wise takes a hint and acts on it !

[Note from the editor: A point worthy of note here in Greg’s story is that he is communicating the identity of  the main authors of TB Joshua watch as one time evangelists at the Scoan uk. While we are yet to explicitly declare them as the people behind TB Joshua watch till we have unmistakable proof.

We intend to continue our investigations on these opinions alongside
other issues and keep you updated.

PART 2 OF Greg’s story will be posted tomorrow 8th November 2011.

TB Joshua Watch Mask Themselves As Advocates of The Truth…….


TB Joshua’s critics mask themselves as advocates of the truth, but the undisputed fact remains that there’s a world of       difference

TB Joshua Watch Mask Themselves As Advocates of The Truth…….

between unveiling the truth and instinctive fault finding, and TB Joshua watch are on the prowl for the latter like the biblical proverbial lion seeking whom to devour. Fault finding has now become their perceived ministry and the pattern of thinking in which their minds are formed. In the previous section of this post we raised several glaring similarities between TB Joshua watch and the Pharisees in Jesus day and showed that there was clearly no difference between them, we promised to continue in subsequent post with the scriptural reasons for our belief about TB Joshua watch as a Pharisees sect. What makes such pharisical spirit so dangerous is that it disguises itself as a form of enlightenment.

This is what Jesus meant when he said “if the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness (Matt 6:23)

The darkness is great because the bearer is deluded into thinking it is light.

So How does TB Joshua watch fulfil this criteria?

TB Joshua watch describe their site as a platform: “looking for the truth about TB Joshua and SCOAN”

But rebuking a prophet is their perceived ministry (Luke 19:39)

Fault finding with him is their perceived ministry (Matt7:2)

Publicly exposing his alleged weaknesses is their perceived ministry (John 8:6)

So here’s a summary of their pharisical identification marks and how TB Joshua watch alongside TB Joshua’s critics fulfil all the criteria:

1. They are often doctrinally correct, hence are dangerous. (Acts 23:8)

TB Joshua watch say many things in concurrence with the scriptures, but does that validate their purpose? The bible speaks in Matt 4 of Satan quoting scriptures to Jesus, but in an attempt to tempt him.

2. They love tradition (Matt. 15:1-2; Mark 7:3-5)

TB Joshua watch have come against TB Joshua’s ministry partly because he doesn’t follow traditional Christian norms, but they forget that Jesus himself was a non conformist to a lot of the traditional Judean beliefs of his day, an example being the Sabbath, which they enforced so much that man became a slave to it.
A few quotes:

Someone somewhere says:  PERMALINK
July 13, 2011 at 10:57 am
absolutely correct. First time I’ve ever heard of the Word = the bread (communion). I think this ignores 2000 years of Christian tradition in which the bread = Jesus’ body.

Someone Somewhere PERMALINK

July 14, 2011 8:05 pm

I’m sure that most of the people on this site would consider themselves to be born again Christians. It seems like the theology you adhere to is far removed from generally accepted theology.

3. They’re always poised to investigating healing!

The book of John 9 captures a situation where the Pharisees investigate the healing of a man born blind because they never believed the healing to be true, this is one of the open challenges made by TB Joshua watch, to allow for independent investigations of healings that happen in Scoan, a quote:

Hardaker believes that this is not evidence enough. “There needs to be truly free and independent scrutiny from a group of trustworthy and impartial researchers who have access to all participants. They must have the liberty to report all findings both negative and positive. This will then get somewhere near to assessing veracity.”

Nanardi says:  PERMALINK
September 1, 2011 at 9:36 am
…There is still no proof of evidence by an independent organization that those “Works” you mention are of the Holy Spirit.

Even in the face of overwhelming evidence contrary to their views, countless testimonies and live healing and deliverance broadcasts they refuse to believe.

4. They attribute true works of God, to the devil. (Matt. 9:34; 12:24)

Satan is a destroyer, sicknesses diseases and the likes are his products but TB Joshua’s critics seem to believe that Satan has turned to a repairer and restorer of life and hence attribute the miraculous healings and deliverances to other gods and principalities a quote from one of the ex-disciple attesting to this from their site reads:

I don’t believe they are “prophecies” at all, but divination, which is seeing into the future via the occult. Christians are not the only ones who can tell the future. Witch doctors, fortune tellers, they all can as well.

Giles says:  permalink
may 23, 2011 at 10:22 am
hi Jens you may have read some of my posts on this site (I was one of the ex disciples who left) in reply to your queries about the prophecy, I think it’s a mixture of  divination (occult) and basic trickery…. this is divination- the occultic practise of glimpsing into the future – but its hidden by a big propaganda machine selling it as biblical prophecy.

5. They are poised to testing a prophet in order to catch him in his words: Mark 12:13

TB Joshua’s critics would do anything just to find a fault with him, even to the extent of testing him: a visitor to their site declared to them his intention of visiting Scoan and their response to him was a test question aimed at either TB Joshua or his disciples: here is the quote below:

Giles PERMALINK

July 19, 2011 1:07 pm

Hi very

Well my advice would be to have nothing to do with them…but I don’t think your hubbie would be convinced with that. All I can ask is that if he does go, ask if tb Joshua sins…make sure he gets a straight yes or no. No explanations, no theological discussions, no quotable quotes. Just yes or no.

It is clear that this is not a question asked for the sake of enlightenment or learning, but one poised as a trap much like the Pharisees did to Jesus.

6. They are worldly wise and perceptive. (Matt. 21:45)

This is a point we’ve proven here under the topic post that discussed their pharisee chronicle, the serpentine manner with which they subtly criticize and condemn him is typical of them so as not to appear satanic in the public’s eye.

7. They do what they can to stop people from being saved. (Matt. 23:13)

TB Joshua’s critics are not dumb enough of course say this out loud, neither did the Pharisees in Jesus day, but  action inadvertently does speaks louder than words, let’s examine the evidence proving this point:

“Discouraging the sick from going to Scoan for healing”

A quote response to gretta who indicated a desire to visit SCOAN from Ian and ex-disciple Giles:

Giles PERMALINK

October 1, 2011 7:30 pm

I would strongly urge you not to go to something I KNOW is a cult.

Ian PERMALINK*

July 19, 2011 5:20 am

My advice is to get your husband to read the above article and others on this site, and try to convince him not to go.

Another critic:

Claire PERMALINK

October 6, 2011 2:50 pm

Hi Gretta. If you are hungry for God, don’t spend money going to Nigeria…Yes, God is in Nigeria, but he is also in your heart. You won’t hear him any better in Nigeria than you can at home.

(When a commenter asked if people like Apostle Paul were no longer needed in the world, this critic gave an appalling answer)

Jenson PERMALINK

October 5, 2011 6:42 am

Hey Someone…

…Now to rephrase my question again…. Name a Paul of our day? Or would you say that people like that is no longer needed?

Someone Somewhere PERMALINK

October 5, 2011 1:05 pm

” …Absolutely, unequivocally, YES! We don’t need them…”

 Ex-disciple Giles also replied with the same shocking answer:

Giles PERMALINK

October 5, 2011 7:11 am

Jenson, we do not need “big names” like Benny hinn or tb Joshua- ppl who SCOAN would dub as “the Paul of our day”

Discouraging the afflicted from ministering the anointed water- a point they explicitly stated when they said:

The water is a way of spreading TB Joshua’s anointing, so if it is truly Christ who is the healer, throw away the anointing water!

Discouraging people from watching Emmanuel TV, by tagging Emmanuel TV in all its transparency as a propaganda channel. A quote:

Giles says: PERMALINK
May 25, 2011 at 10:10 am
…It’s true that if you watch EmTV you’ll see success story after success story. But that’s all you’ll see. This is how propaganda works… It’s why I call EmTV their propaganda station. I understand if you prolly won’t be persuaded to come over to the dark side (mwooo ha ha ha ha).

On works of charity, one of their site administrators, Ianmcaught, suggested that no more charity works should be done in SCOAN on the basis of financial accountability.  A Quote:

Ian says: PERMALINK
May 31, 2011 at 8:51 am
“… Asking who SCOAN is financially accountable to is a very important question, if the answer is “don’t know” or “no one”, then stop giving!

If this is not a way of preventing people from being saved, we don’t know what it is!

8. They emphasize externals while neglecting Internals. (Luke 11:42)

TB Joshua’s critics have often mocked him, his command of English language, his dressing and accent while giving no consideration to inner character: a few quotes:

Gretta PERMALINK

October 7, 2011 9:00 am

“….Look at new site of SCOAN now. More and more bigger pictures, better collar, better tie knots, better juckets,  better shoes, pictures improved and polish by photoshops, but where is Jesus. Is Jesus bigger or more ond more small in appearance? Where is humility? John the Baptist the prophet did he wears in the Bible soft and elegance clothing. Prophet Elisha and Elijah with camel skin clothes?”

9.  They aggressively pursue and provoke the servants of God. (Luke 11:53)

giles says: PERMALINK

September 6, 2011 at 9:22pm

I know exactly what i think of him. He’s a fraud, a phoney who promotes himself on the TB Joshua Show, which is privately owned- by him.

While they may subtly persecute TB Joshua so as not to appear evil before the world, The swiftness with which they use every available instrument to attack, such as the misquoted BBC report, shows an aggresive pursuance with Some of their statements being most provoking as any Scoan supporter who has visited their site would notice as the first commenter under their current post lamented:

lilian Muzondo says: PERMALINK

October 18, 2011 at 2:11 pm

Why do you hate TB Joshua? Your accusations are baseless please dont post me this staff again, I dont believe your lies, ok.

If the supporters are this provoked we can only imagine how the prophet being spoken of would feel himself.

10. They are an arrogant, reviling, unteachable, self righteous, and spiritually blind bunch. (John 9:28-34)

All these are evident in their posts, they feel righteous enough to judge TB Joshua, and are unteachable, a few quotes:

ian says: PERMALINK

July 20, 2011 at 10:23 am

“…I should probably be up front with you and tell you that I can 100% guarantee you that nothing you say will change my mind on TB Joshua, if you think otherwise you are wasting your time.

Nanardi PERMALINK

August 22, 2011 11:17 am

@ Soe,

“I am 100% sure that you don’t have any spiritual comparison before you entered in this mess or spiritual arena.

… Hell will first freeze before I would accept anything from you…”

Cornelius PERMALINK

August 1, 2011 12:53 am

Why do u call your blog tbjoshuawatch yet it is clear that u are not watching anything (in the spirit i mean) i see someone here talking of a sign frm a movie which i assume to be satanic judging frm wat he is sayin regards to the medallion. Now u that watches such things u come out to judgeTB coz u say parts of the movies medallion looks ‘like’ wat you saw on the annointing water package is that how u discern, so the next time apreacher puts on an all black garment he wil be in trouble with u people coz u wil associate the colour of his clothes with darkness… Im writing you frm Zimbabwe

 

These are Just about half the pharisical character TB Joshua watch have displayed so far, in subsequent posts we shall bring you the rest as they themselves have shown with their very words.

Ex-Disciples Forms a Bloc Against TB Joshua; – The Price of Mentorship or Nemesis?


We at Watch Prophet TB Joshua believe that the first to present his case will always seem right until  another comes and questions him. It is patience in asking the right questions that will force either probity or deception to reveal itself where present. But whether true or false, what we stoutly represent is a refusal to accept a one sided story like other partisan sites and whatever stance you may have taken on this controversial prophet, either as a supporter or critic, it still remains unequivocally clear that most of the stories circulating the internet that are mitigating against this prophet at most came from those who were once his ardent front-line followers, aside from raising a red-flag by giving quite some weight to their testimonies, and being a bothersome thorn in the flesh of pro-Scoan folks, it also further demystifies the personality of TB Joshua In the context of him still having an increasing local and international follower-ship even with just about enough defaming material to quickly set people on their heels away from him. A quick search on Google will reveal various testimonies by these ex-disciples of TB Joshua’s ministry, putting forward quite vehemently, debasing claims of sexual abuse and ill- treatment allegedly suffered at his hands, and this was well complemented with further questions in animosity of the legitimacy of the very miracles that seemed to have prompted them to follow TB Joshua in the first place. We at watchprophettbjoshua  would never have contested the “truthfulness” of these allegations if the word “betrayal” never existed, that is, the possibility of all these claims of abuse being falsified and untrue just as some others hold that it is true, is what qualifies it as a debatable issue, for at least those who have never lived within the Scoan premises.

It is however quite surprising that we hardly ever hear stories like this about other ministers or pastors, and the reason most likely, as our findings report is his peculiar style of training followers as disciples, different from the modern conventional methods. Quite a number of ministries have a former school for disciples who desire to be trained for ministerial work, with a process for enrollment, tuition for training, a well defined course outline in discipleship training and finally a certificate issued proving that they met the required standards during their training, but TB Joshua’s methods seem very far from this in a peculiar sort of way, apart from having his imposing edifice at the SCOAN, Lagos Nigeria receiving and playing host to thousands of pilgrims from across the world, it also houses men and women from different countries, of different ages and works of Life who have left their countries, homes, Jobs and others to follow this man as disciples, with him bearing the full responsibility for their upkeep. The prophet Himself is said to live in the same compound with his disciples and in an interview with Evelyn Joshua, TB Joshua’s wife – they are there for an indefinite period of time, in her words she said “its a lifelong training” now we know that the implications of this would be at first unprecedented, but now the results are definitely crystallizing out clearly – with all the defaming allegations circumventing the internet as well as the advent of the “wise men” who seem to be the evidence of those who have being fully trained.

Having lived with the prophet for years, a lot of these disciples would definitely know more about the inner workings of the ministry, so without asking questions and getting a different account from other ex-disciples, the populace would have no choice but to believe them, without getting to hear the other side of the story  – So the purpose of this post is to bring into debate the allegations made against TB Joshua by certain ex-disciples, of which several similar ones exist, carefully considering their possibility of occurrence whilst subjecting them to sound reasoning and if possible come to a logical conclusion.

The first we shall consider with an excerpt from an anti-scoan website  is “The story of Emma“,  A Scoan ex-disciple who had supposedly dedicated ten years of her Life to Scoan,  her claim of  abuse and ill treatment is stated below.

I’m very grateful to have found this site. I personally have been affected by TB Joshua and the SCOAN in a most negative way. I’m eternally grateful to Jesus for giving me a second chance when I was so deeply deceived. Since leaving SCOAN I have discovered a completely different side to God – an intimate relationship with Him with no human mediator, and total forgiveness without your past mistakes being used to break you down.
I plan on sharing my 10 year experience of being a disciple in increments as I have the strength to do so. I prefer to do it anonymously for my own safety and that of my family. I left about a year ago and am still coming to grips with the reality that SCOAN was a cult. It was a big shock when I realised that what I’d given my life to and built my future upon is nothing but a cult. I was horrified to find that the isolated communal lifestyle, denial of privacy, late night meetings, sleep deprivation, reporting, character breaking disciple meetings and so on, occur in most cults and have nothing to do with the Holy Spirit’s leading of TB Joshua as I once believed. I read about cults like Mormonism, Jehovah’s witness, Scientology, The twelve tribes, Indian guru cults, etc and saw striking similarities. They also record your confession and use it to silence you should you later leave like what happened to Bisola Johnson in Beware of Blasphemers. They also encourage that you sell your possessions and give it to their leaders, live in community and give all decision making authority to the leader. They also have meetings of character assassination, ie, monitoring, reporting and correction as SCOAN calls it. They also live in “compounds”, communal living where access to information is controlled, the leader’s videos / teachings are continually played to you and a false reality “euphoria” is created with no opportunity to question.
The hardest thing for me to come to terms with is the fact that I may never see my loved ones (brothers and sisters as they’re called in SCOAN) again. I sometimes feel guilty as I “move on with my life”, that I’m leaving so many sincere, but sincerely deceived people behind and it seems as if there is not much I can do to open their eyes. Since I had completely cut off from my family and friends – it now seems very strange to reconnect with them after 10 long years. So many things have changed but in some ways, I am exactly where I started before I joined SCOAN – I have no qualifications, no job reference, no proof of what I’ve done with my life. I’m only beginning to see the effects of many years of sexual and emotional abuse I received from TB Joshua. But I am determined more than ever to trust in God alone, deal with my past in His strength and become what He made me to be.

For the anti-scoan folks who subscribe to her story, what are your strong reasons for believing what you never witnessed about  a Prophet of renown?

And for the pro -Scoan folks why would you refuse to believe her story?, what in your opinion could she possibly gain by lying?

Love to hear your thoughts in the comments…!